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Creeping Carl · Jan 11, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Notion? It IS a double standard. Same EXACT type of ferry. Yet those that did it with Duncan were not banned.

It is MORE than reasonable for people to ASSUME they would not be banned given the Duncan ferry was NOT a bannable offense.

People can finger point and name call all they want. Doesn't change the bans nor does it change the fact they were unjust.

Did you not realize that ANET didnt want people to get a shortcut to such places the first few times where they closed off such exploits? How much more warning and hints do you need?

I mean gee, a shortcut to MallyX to get easy high-end stuff? How could anyone not at least figure it was a shady activity to participate in?

I MP I · Jan 11, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

117 people banned for using an exploit. Makes me smile. Nice job Anet. Just saw people in trade channel in Kamadan advertising to have those 117 people unbanned. LOL Good luck with that.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

A breach of security does not alleviate the wrong doing of the exploiter. END OF STORY. A mistake on Anet's part DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO EXPLOIT IT! The Eula specifically says so. However, I still don't believe this "it wasn't ANY kind of hack" nonsense.

C'mon Anet knew about the hidden town for months, they were pretty much begging for it to be used. They knew it would be used and still did nothing to stop it before it happend

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

No the point is people cheated and skipped to the end of an elite mission. Whether by exploit or hack it doesn't matter. They breached the EULA and cheated to get mass wealth just like the dupers, who were also banned. That is the point. They cheated.

Then why does Anet continue to use a double standard? They ban people for cheating. However, they also do not ban people for doing the same thing.. cheat. I don't care if this was an exploit or hack, the bigger issue here is anet is impartial in its ruling with customers.

-Sonata- · Jan 11, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

nah don't go that far.
certain "Players" are just angry because a.net caught them stealing from the jam jar and they are now crying and cursing in any language they can speak

That could very well be true and I'm sure there's plenty of players out there who are making large & idle threats. Happens in every game I've been a part of the past 11 years. It's a shame.

But if Pablo is who he says he is and knows the things he says he knows, then the player who told him that they could make the game unplayable becomes a real possibility. That tells me that Anets side of the story holds a lot more fact than the other side.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

Thats exactly right, its a accident how it was found, the problem is Anet should have made outposts like this more secure so it was never found in the first place

Okay lets asume its found.. and its not a hack....

"finding" a "backdoor" like this is called a glitch or bug... using this "bug" over and over again is called "exploiting" or "using a bug in the game for your own benefit"

Every computer program has bugs or backdoors even and so does every game. How you act on this "bug" as a user can have consequences.

If im looking on the site of lets say Ministry of Defense... and i find a backdoor and i see stuff i shouldnt see.. i can:

- report this to the ministry
- i can use the information for my own benefit or sell it to people who want the info.

you think you can get away with the last part?

I pwnd U · Jan 11, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Clait

Then why does Anet continue to use a double standard? They ban people for cheating. However, they also do not ban people for doing the same thing.. cheat. I don't care if this was an exploit or hack, the bigger issue here is anet is impartial in its ruling with customers.

On a scale of 1-10 on severity of cheating this DoA exploit ranks right up there around 9 or 10. It's bad, the ferrying people to areas they haven't been wasn't as bad, it was still bad but noat as bad. Anet can't go around banning everyone who cheats because then no one will play it beacuse at some point everyone cheats in the game. Whether they do it for their own personal game or for someone elses benifit. They have been banning people for the ones they found most severe. If they don't ban people for an exploit they didn't deem it as a bad one. This is a bad one. Suddenly people are getting ambraces quickly. It would ruin the economy. It was a breach in the EULA, therefore they get banned.

Mork from Ork · Jan 11, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by SolidShadow

thats how customer support works, at the end of the month they just see how many tickets they get and send a report to the supervisor.

at the end of the line, the player takes the blaim cause who cares there making millions.

and when your trying to prove your innocence you even get flamed at you.
kinda hard to behave then.

It's going be interesting to see what happens with PlayNC and ANet end of this month.

1: ANet is pretty much making squat for PLayNC until GW2 comes out - looking at a long 1 1/2 years of expecting little or no income from ANet.

2: In one month PlayNC will have received multiple complaints about Polar Bear, Bonus Mission Pack, Wintersday hats and lag, candy cane shards unable to be turned in because collectors removed before some players expected, and now this series of bans - most will not be serious support tickets but it's got to be clogging support email at the moment.

Love to be a fly on the wall next Time PlayNC execs meet with ANet.

Zeek Aran · Jan 11, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

On a scale of 1-10 on severity of cheating this DoA exploit ranks right up there around 9 or 10. It's bad, the ferrying people to areas they haven't been wasn't as bad, it was still bad but noat as bad. Anet can't go around banning everyone who cheats because then no one will play it beacuse at some point everyone cheats in the game. Whether they do it for their own personal game or for someone elses benifit. They have been banning people for the ones they found most severe. If they don't ban people for an exploit they didn't deem it as a bad one. This is a bad one. Suddenly people are getting ambraces quickly. It would ruin the economy. It was a breach in the EULA, therefore they get banned.

Bolded. Do other games have these types of problems, to this extent?

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

C'mon Anet knew about the hidden town for months, they were pretty much begging for it to be used. They knew it would be used and still did nothing to stop it before it happend

Of course they knew about the town. It was a developer town. And no, they never intended it to be used, therefore they had to stop nothing, so that card is completely false. Players found a backdoor into this area and exploited its use.

Tyla · Jan 11, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Wouldn't it be smarter on ANet's part to....delete the outpost?
(note that i know nothing about programming

...or developing)

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Wouldn't it be smarter on ANet's part to....delete the outpost?
(note that i know nothing about programming

)

They claim they need the oupost for the mallyx quest to function properly, but still. make it more secure

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Of course they knew about the town. It was a developer town. And no, they never intended it to be used, therefore they had to stop nothing, so that card is completely false. Players found a backdoor into this area and exploited its use.

The fact is they knew it was possible to exploit that town.

imbanned2 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Wouldn't it be smarter on ANet's part to....delete the outpost?
(note that i know nothing about programming

...or developing)

indeed.. but they didnt seems that somebody likes the drama

I pwnd U · Jan 11, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Bolded. Do other games have these types of problems, to this extent?

I haven't played many other online games but yes I would imagine so. I have played more FPS's online then anything else and I see people using mods in it all the times. Aka 3rd party programs and such. It happens in every game. Maybe not everyone cheats in these games but in MMORPGs I am guessing that the mass majority do. It's easier to cheat in a MMORPG because exploits are easier to find and the community is a bit more tight knit then in FPS's. But even in FPS's you will find cheats or people using exploits. The wall tricks where people go and find a place where you can hide in a wall and shoot people but they can't get you. It's an exploit and they probably should be banned. So yes I do believe that other online games have the same problem and probably to that extent. No example as I have only played one MMORPG but I have talked to friends who play other ones who talk about such exploits.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

I haven't played many other online games but yes I would imagine so. I have played more FPS's online then anything else and I see people using mods in it all the times. Aka 3rd party programs and such. It happens in every game. Maybe not everyone cheats in these games but in MMORPGs I am guessing that the mass majority do. It's easier to cheat in a MMORPG because exploits are easier to find and the community is a bit more tight knit then in FPS's. But even in FPS's you will find cheats or people using exploits. The wall tricks where people go and find a place where you can hide in a wall and shoot people but they can't get you. It's an exploit and they probably should be banned. So yes I do believe that other online games have the same problem and probably to that extent. No example as I have only played one MMORPG but I have talked to friends who play other ones who talk about such exploits.

yes ive been admin on several FPS games. You get a ban from the server or you get punkbusted and get a cdkey/ip ban.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

well guys its been fun admitting my guild to you and talking this over in a civilized manner. more fun then gw has been lately lol. its time to hit the hay.

for everone thats been banned, dont give up deal with anet. dont be asses this is still thier game. be civilzed or it will never ever happen..

and as for the community at large that i love so much. if it brought harm to the community in any way you have my heart felt apologies, if i thought my singular actions would harm gw in anyway it never woulda happened..

take care
Wrath Grimscythe

seut · Jan 11, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Yichi

and when the way was found and became known, players that exploited the town got banned and the access to the town was shut off. So this thread has continued on this long for what reason?

if we can trust some posters in this thread (even though they are banned now), this exploit is known among a small circle of players for at least 5months..
i'm wondering, why they didn't implement some kind of alarm system, to check if somebody is creating an instance of this outpost in a non-supposed way..

The Great Al · Jan 11, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I kind of agree with this. It's like what I said in the other thread - if I kill a monster and 100 ectos drop from it, obviously it shouldn't have happened, but I'll be damned if anyone actually thinks I should get banned for picking it up. If no actual 'hacking' took place, then this is basically an Anet screw up, and people were taking advantage of it, in a way that at least as far as I can see, isn't illegal.

garethporlest18 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Yichi

and when the way was found and became known, players that exploited the town got banned and the access to the town was shut off. So this thread has continued on this long for what reason?

I think he was talking about ANet knowing it was possible to exploit this town. This game has been showing many more flaws, exploit wise this past year. Wonder what's been going on.

Regardless of anything, ANet did have to do something, besides fix it. Since they can't get around to fixing anything right the first time, or fast enough..people will just do it and if others see that there aren't any consequences for these sorts of things, then we will have this stuff happening all the time. Then again it doesn't seem to matter haha.

Granted, if ANet are going to ban for one exploit they should ban for every. They might lose 50% of their population if they do that but hey.. Either face the consequences for having faulty technology in your game and lose customers or lose customers for not being consistent, lying, etc etc.

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Great Al you're right, except these people should have been banned for taking advantage of it..BUT so should everyone else who has ever taken advantage of a bug/exploit in this game since it's start. Like I said bye bye 50% of the population.